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Now that Saddam has been captured...
| Iraq will unite and live happily ever after |    3.24% (59) | | G.W. Bush will be re-elected | 20.59% (375) | | Bin Laden will soon be captured | 4.45% (81) | | Terrorism is over! | 0.55% (10) | | The world will live in peace | 2.75% (50) | | The War in Iraq is really over | 1.32% (24) | | Mission Accomplished! | 3.24% (59) | | The US has no more excuses for what happens | 33.33% (607) | | Syria is next | 11.15% (203) | | North Korea is next | 12.14% (221) | | He should be brought before the ICC | 7.25% (132) | | He should be left to the Iraqi people to deal with | 31.08% (566) |
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Re: Saddam (Score: 0)
by Kassey on Wednesday, December 17 @ 15:24:52 CET
(User Info ) | Im very aware of the henious crimes Saddam subjected his people to. However, I think it would be very inhumane and ignorant to leave his fate to the Iraq people. I say this because of the mass chaos in the middle east. People burning cars in the streets, ramshacking stores, beating one another with baseball bats.... There is no doubt in my mind that if left to the Iraq people, Saddam will suffer an inhumane death. I wouldnt be shocked if they ripped him from limb to limb and hung his head for all to see. What Saddam did to his people was inexcuseable. But two wrongs do not make a right, to be cliché.
As for what I think will happen next. Well, thats simple. The US will try to install a decomcracy in Iraq. Mark my words, this will not work unless the US keeps a strong military force in Iraq. I know this because I am sixteen years old, and for as long as I can remember the middle east had been in a whirlwind of voilence and bitterness caused by things that happend decades ago, mainly dealing with relgion (har har, who would have guessed) and the holy land.
No government, no matter how just and righteous, will Iraq accept within the next five or six generations (thats my unscientific guesstimate.) There is too much religion-driven hate in the middle east right now. There had been for generations. The fighting will never end, at least not in my time and probably not in my children's s lifetime.
While it may seem "mean" and unfair to the Iraq people that the US keeps a strong military force in Iraq and uses fear (within reason) as a weapon to push them into a democratic, stable nation, this is essentially the only way to install a sucessful democracy in Iraq. The question will be then, because it is a country full of fanatics and radicals (almost all religion driven, har har, cant argue with god, but thats another topic entirely), how many people will the US have to kill before the Iraq people understand that we arent messing around? This all seems inhumane and insensetive, but lets be honest.
For how long has Iraq been unstable? For how long have they been having riots in the street? That will never change unless force is used. I myself am a pacsifist, and like to believe that there is always a good in any group of people. Im not saying that the Iraq people are savages who cant govern themselves, goodness knows they are capable, what I am saying is that the US's strong military presence will be the only thing that will ensure a stable, democratic government system in Iraq.
Questions? Comments? Concerns?
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[ Reply to This ] - Re: by Lamont on Saturday, December 20 @ 23:47:03 CET
- Re: How can you impose a democracy ? by Greek on Sunday, December 21 @ 03:04:02 CET
- Re: by buddy guy on Thursday, January 01 @ 08:08:02 CET
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- Re: by Buddy guy on Friday, January 02 @ 00:49:34 CET
- Re: Saddam's fate by psykopostl on Tuesday, January 13 @ 16:52:17 CET
- Re: who gives a danm by eric on Thursday, January 29 @ 19:50:26 CET
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Re: Very SMART 16 year old?! (Score: 0)
by Newly Activist on Sunday, December 28 @ 22:19:07 CET
(User Info ) | Now I don't claim to know the entire history of the Middle East, I'm just now learning and reading all about it. I'm very educated about it, however, if I measure my knowledge by the American media and CNN. Go beyond the filters and stereotypes and you just might uncover Middle Eastern history.
What your post said (correct me if I got the wrong message) is that it all boils down to religious fanaticism. Simple answer, isn't it? Oh if only we could see past our differences there would be peace! Read a little more. Read about the various occupations of Iraq (no, the US wasn't the first...*gasp* you mean we weren't the first ones to lead a crusade under the 'white man's burden' to educate the savages?) There's always something that hides the ulterior motives. 'Democracy' is being used where Christianity was before. I can't even begin to explain the manipulations of the country. I don't have enough knowledge myself to do it justice, but I have enough already to know that your rantings about religious fanatics being dealt with by force to bring democracy is based alot on what's being fed to you through filters. The media AND school. Get a Webster's and look the word up btw, because you obviously don't know the correct meaning - it means the people choose...people throwing around the word today think it's a synonym for the US government. Anyway, back to the point (like I ever have a clear one anyway). The middle east is home to one of the greatest of the ancient civilizations. They obviously knew how to run things. Who says all the religious division wasn't cultured and augmented by the ruling class. In the same way Africans were kept from coming together in the slave trade days (not the EXACT same scenario but you get my drift...) Divide and conquer is just one of the many tools used by the ruling class. Not only does it keep us suspicious of each other and weak..but it also gives them something to show as a lesson: 'see? we must show force and bring "demoncracy" it's for their own good.'
I hope that made sense. It wasn't meant as a put down. I just don't want you to base your opinion soley on what's fed to you through the news and idle conversation. I've been fed the same garbage by the media for the last 20 years...and I can never go back to completely trusting it again when I know for a fact that it hides things...it uses itself because it knows how powerful it is. And it also knows the public trusts it. |
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Re:capture of Saddam (Score: 0)
by O'B thats O as in Oh B as in B on Saturday, January 03 @ 20:55:21 CET
(User Info ) | | Now that the murderer of our youth (dubya not Saddam) has proven his might look out world dubya won't take yer shit anymore! Fall in line or fall in yer grave the american war machine is on the move. We now have Iraq's oil to fuel the machine WE ARE UNSTOPPABLE and, alas, without morals. We will imprision our own people who disagree now.The patriot act will keep you dissadents quiet! Finally I have a question...why do we forbid God in schools where we do his work but invoke his name when we want to kill folks? |
[ Reply to This ] - prev comment by Darian L on Thursday, January 08 @ 22:28:59 CET
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by Anonymous on Friday, January 09 @ 07:22:10 CET | it ain't over
it ain't over
saddam was always the U.S. puppet in the middle east
so what ya think your winning now white man
ha ha ha ha all you did was put the puppet back on the string
thats why so many Batth party members are getting paid with your tax dollars
and these soldiers getting killed EVERY FUCKING DAY!!!!
so tell me white man do you feel your winning
is your heart filled with victory?
all you have left is the fame
all you have left is the fame
all you have left is the fame
and if you understand what i mean by that
don't worry you soon will
TRUST ME............ |
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by Jeroen van der Rijst on Saturday, January 10 @ 22:33:46 CET
(User Info ) | | Why is'nt Cuba in the list??? |
[ Reply to This ] - Re: Cuba by psykopostl on Tuesday, January 13 @ 16:23:27 CET
- Re:cuba by orange sunshine on Saturday, January 17 @ 17:58:32 CET
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Media driven and school driven; if only one's mind were so s (Score: 0)
by Kassey (again :D ) on Tuesday, January 13 @ 15:29:59 CET
(User Info ) | Newly Activist,
I was pleased to read your most passionately written comment. I assure you I DO know what a democracy is. And I also know that one shant be in Iraq unless the US of A keeps a strong military force in the middle east.
I have done my research -despite the impression you may have received by my brevity driven, anit-digression post- and I can tell you that essentially _it is_ all religion driven. It dates back centuries. I am aware, and has a lot to do with the jews haven been driven from the holy land, yadda yadda yadda and after WWII the jews were given opportunities to claim what they believed was rightly theirs (according to religion). So thats where the madness stems from. But allow me to once again be more concise and to the point!
The media indeed only allows us to see what they want us to see and what will gain them the favor of the government. Of that I am well aware. (However, I favor the media over the Bush admin. any day!)
Here is why a democracy wont work in Iraq without military involvment, and here is the key to what I KNOW will make a democracy work: capitalisim, free enterprise. I shall explain.
Iraq is a country torn between a totaltarion government and religious nutcases. Between those two things alone its amazing they havent wiped themselves out entirely. There is absolutely no incenitive for them to work hard or foster a stable government. In a land where things change day by day, stability is obviously out of the question. However, with military force to keep the fanatics in line, a capatilistic economy could be installed in Iraq. The people would have clear reason to educate themselves and hold steady jobs, which would mean going to work instead of beating women with blunt objects because the femmes sported nail polish - alas, another issue for another rant.
In a nutshell: military force -within reason- in Iraq is the key to installing both a democracy and a free enterprise for the Iraq people.
It indeed does seem utterly unnecessary, and wouldnt it be wonderful if people could INDEED put aside their differences. But humans seemed to enjoy watching each other die instead. Im not questioning the abilities nor intellegence of the Iraq or defacing their culture. I think them no worse than say, Amercans such as myself who allow Bush and his tyrant toadies to stomp all over our constitutional rights. But because the seed of hate has been nutured by generations of Iraq people, I see it only fitting to help them out in the only way that we can. Most unfortunately that is force.
I agree that one cannot impose a decomcracy on another. This has even been shown in history, in the middle east as it is, how wonderfully ironic.
Er, and as a last note, dude who wrote about publically torturing Saddam, he'd be sure to see you in hell, eh?
Later.
*Kassey |
[ Reply to This ] - Re: Iraq by psykopostl on Tuesday, January 13 @ 16:39:17 CET
- Re: Re:Iraq by Kassey on Wednesday, January 14 @ 15:03:58 CET
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by polisheree on Saturday, January 17 @ 11:31:16 CET
(User Info ) | | g.w.bush go home to your cows and cowboy shoes! feed your chicken with corn and not the whole world with your crazy ideas! |
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Re: Saddam Hussein (Score: 0)
by Astromike on Monday, January 19 @ 22:38:14 CET
(User Info ) | Who says it's really Saddam Hussein captured? There were plenty of doubles around before and you can't believe anything the Governments put out.
Bush and Blair went in to Iraq to seize its wealth at the cost of Iraqui, US and UK lives. It's Bush's business friends who now reap the benefit. Democracy is not being allowed because the 'wrong' people would get elected and tell us to get out. |
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america sucks (Score: 0)
by free on Tuesday, January 20 @ 10:06:13 CET
(User Info ) | the war aint over! see bush has got to big of an ego for that to happen and when other countries want peace, america starts the damn wars. bush now knows that he can murder innocent women and children and not have to pay for it just because their not americans. the problem is that hes got americans brainwashed into thinking he knows what hes doing, so in a way the people who support him and the troops are saying its okay to murder women and children. If there is one person that you can compare bush to, its hitler! They are one in the same. america sucks and its about time to put an end to patriotism! a country that murders children is not a country that deserves respect or a country i want to be a part of. we need to get bush out of office as soon as possible and we need to dismantle the military so nobody else has to suffer the loss of a child at the hands of the american military. seems to me that this is not the land of freedom because all of our freedoms have been destroyed by the government and bush. their killing innocent children, i thought children are the future well what kind of future is that for a child. there wont be any left after the president and military murders them all! their killing babies in the name of freedom
PEACE,LOVE AND FREEDOM--------free
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Re: Iraq? what the hell? (Score: 0)
by paisleypagan87 on Thursday, January 22 @ 17:37:33 CET
(User Info ) | there was no reason for us to go to war in the first place... bush is bad! war is bad! killing is bad!
can'e we al just get along? we need a president who knows what he'she is doing... not a uneduatated texan who drinks oil for breakfast. |
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Re: Taxes (Score: 0)
by Jimi The Hippy on Monday, January 26 @ 14:27:31 CET
(User Info ) | | It sucks that by drinking a bear or eatong chocolets we are suporting a war which we might not want to support espeshaly in america and briten where vat and taxes are mandatory and we have no say in where this mony gose |
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by hitler on Sunday, February 08 @ 01:39:57 CET
(User Info ) | | fuck u god damn bitch ass fuckin ho slut pot smokin bitches eat my ass |
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Re: Now that ... captured. (Score: 0)
by len2000 on Monday, February 09 @ 05:58:19 CET
(User Info ) | | North Korea next? I think Iran. Invaded Afgans on right. Invaded Iraqies on left. Two fronts. Iran next. |
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