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If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would...
| support the war |    10.51% (172) | | protest the war | 57.21% (936) | | enlist to fight | 2.44% (40) | | resist the draft | 5.99% (98) | | not get involved in any way | 12.35% (202) | | be happy to die for your country | 3.67% (60) | | not sure | 7.82% (128) |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, August 26 @ 16:01:44 CEST | | If this happens, god forbid, the leaders of our country will become perhaps some of the most hypocritical people on this earth. If we started a war with Iraq, in essence, would we not being doing the same things they have done to us? War is just idiotic...it is simply violence against violence and the winner is the one who commits the most volitale actions. As humans we have the capacity to reason, and we should use this talent to rise about animalistic behaviors such as violence to solve problems. This is just my opinion though. |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Nat on Monday, August 26 @ 16:21:34 CEST
(User Info ) | PROTEST....
If the U.S start a war with IRAQ.... it just proves futher that George Bush is the biggest twat alive....
not only does he want to destroy our planet (coz it might "hold America back") but he also wants all the people who live there dead....
the guy's an arsehole....
we have to stop people like that having such a power over the world.... whatever america does.... the uk aren't gonna be far behind....
if george bush stays in control of the usa... the rest of the world dont stand a chance... |
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This is the first time in months that I wasn't the first to (Score: 0)
by James the Hippy on Monday, August 26 @ 17:31:45 CEST
(User Info ) | I'm going to protest until they shoot me. Then I'll protest from the beyond. Bush is a jackass, an earth-fucker, a war-monger, and a bunch of other things that don't come to mind. If he gets re-elected, we'll all surely die. It's SAD! All he wants is MONEY!
All we are saying is give peace a chance. |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 27 @ 05:32:39 CEST | | well i am new to being a hippy and i live in australia, but i know that i hate war and even if it is in another country i would still protest! |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by sephe on Tuesday, August 27 @ 15:24:48 CEST
(User Info ) | | Do what I could to help Canada from becoming involved, or being damaged. Since were part of North America, were sort of along for the ride and having George W. Bush in charge makes me VERY uncomfortable. War made his father popular, why not him too? |
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by James the Hippy on Wednesday, August 28 @ 14:04:23 CEST
(User Info ) | | Another good one! |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Larry Meiring on Wednesday, August 28 @ 15:23:30 CEST
(User Info ) | Sitting back and waiting is ultra-destructive. We are the lone super powers in the world and we must step up and do what is right for not only our national security, but for civilized people all over the world.
The Bush war-room is filled with political heavyweights with integrity and intelligence that deserve our undaunted respect.
If you side with the spineless Europeans you are fooling yourself that peace will happen by inaction. The winners of wars make the rules, period. |
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I beg to differ. (Score: 0)
by James the Hippy on Wednesday, August 28 @ 21:04:43 CEST
(User Info ) | Jesus never won any wars, did he?
Buddha never won any wars, did he?
Lao-tzu never won any wars, did he?
I never won any wars, did I?
Point proven. |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by free on Wednesday, August 28 @ 22:00:33 CEST
(User Info ) | | all i see is another vietnam war, man. the government talks of patriotism, dieing for your country, but where the hell are they when the war starts, they are sitting back in their nice clean government offices smoking cigars and drinking the finest shampagne that YOUR money can buy. if they like to start wars so much why dont they go and fight and die for this racist,sexist country. ill tell you why because all their doing is when they think its getting to crowded here they think well why not start a war and send some of the population to die and they think well just for the record lets call it patriotism and if they die the government thinks hey thats just more money we can keep for ourselves so they say hey lets just send them over there and lower the population and in vietnam they did just that by about half a million KIDS and yes i did say KIDS because thats all they sent over there. YOU MUST NOT RADIFY YOUR GOVERNMENTS MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Friday, August 30 @ 02:10:23 CEST | i wouldn't be surprised...this man is like is father...a new hitler... he doesn't care about the children there or the poor women....it's like if he had a personnal problem...maybe he's sick...crazy...i don't know...
i'm totally against this war...i'm dreamin to see a world where only peace rules...i have the right to dream, no? |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Pheonix on Friday, August 30 @ 08:28:25 CEST
(User Info ) | Well,first off they're looking at invading the day after my birthday 9-12-2002 which sux right off the bat,secondly, War does solve a few problems. It does indeed, Build the American economy,thin out the population,makes us More Willing to Obey our government,but I digress,I don't "believe" in any of those thingsI live in the us and I could give a shit about it's healthy Economy,And I love my brothers and sisters(ALL OF YOU),and I'll be DAMNED if I obey The Us Gov. other then common sense laws.So if those things really matter to you, then good for you bad for the world, if you are with me, then good for you AND the world.I just wanna see more love ,DAMNIT PEOPLE WE HAVE ALLL THE LOVE TO GIVE SO WHY DON'T WE JUST GIVE IT!!!if they come to kill me (the other side or mine)I let them ,I will NOT let their anger or agenda
change who I AM,nor should you.If they come to kill me I will say to them "Brother I love you,You know not what you do."
thats my Rant I love you all you are ALL my brothers and sisters
peace to you ALL
Pheonix |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by EvaLiza on Friday, August 30 @ 10:52:35 CEST
(User Info ) | | Isn´t it strange how fast a friend can become an enemy? Surey US politicians must have known who Saddam Hussein really was during the eighties, yet they supplied him with military equipment? That´s like teaching your kids how to smoke and then whine when they finish a packet of cigarettes a day. Yes, Saddam Hussein must be overthrown but what has to come after him is not a puppet regime for the west! |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Highdra on Friday, August 30 @ 14:05:06 CEST
(User Info ) | I don't believe you anymore.
I don't believe your myths, your stories or your state imposed justice!
I don't believe in political correctness!
I don't believe in killing for civilization!
I don't believe in a better religion!
I don't believe in borders!
I don't believe in blue blood or elite beings!
I don't believe that one is allowed to kill for one reason, but not for another!
I don't believe that killing is right for any cause or that killers go with their own gods blessing!
I don't believe in your gods or their eternal wrath for not believing in them!
I don't believe in a justified war!
I don't believe that better, more or bigger weapons give more rights or a better justified cause!
I don't believe in leaders that advocate violence to maintain or reach their political or religious goals!
I don't believe in the innocence of humans that out of fear mongering will do whatever their leaders demand as the only right thing to do!
I don't believe that killing terrorists will avoid creating them!
I don't believe that secrecy serves the needs of mankind as a whole!
I don't believe that happiness only can be found in the pool the majority decides I can choose from!
I don't believe that if 80% of a country's population cries out for blood even with severely limited information is also enough justification to get it!
I don't believe.
I refuse to believe that humans that aren't in one or another way manipulated are the creatures of hell that others for reasons secret claim them to be!
IOW:
NO... No Mr Bush or Mr Bin Laden OR Saddam Hussein.. I refuse to be with either of you, I refuse that either of your so claimed causes is enough reason to destroy the world or kill people that just want to try to live a reasonable human existence with pride and honor.
Exist with pride and honor in a world that since Thomas More wrote Utopia knows how that can be achieved... The reason for why no one is living in that dream he wrote, everyone can investigate by themselves... One thing is sure though, the global populations of lower classes have nothing to lose by it.
Who does, and what are the ways keeping those populations from living that dream?
What more can a human being ask for than live the dream of having a life worth living, a job worthwhile to put one's efforts in and keeping the world livable for the generations to come.
If honor asks me to stand for this Ideal, So be it. I know I am not wrong.
For the ones that do believe, Merry Christmas...
For the ones that yearn for already so long... Peace on Earth... From this moment on in a future filled with equal Liberty and Justice for all guaranteeing more reasons to live than to die.
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Lacy on Sunday, September 01 @ 12:20:32 CEST
(User Info ) | | You know I don't believe in war, and I also believe that what happened to us on Sept. 11th although tragic was our own fault. Just like Pearl Harbor, US government thinks we are to important to get hit. As for Iraq, they do need another power other than usane (or whatever) to run that devasted country. Bush is only using threats because he knows if we go into Iraq it is possible that we will loose our large oil support. I don't want to be involved in this war, however they need to get benladen and they need to get usane out of the country. I don't know if I've made my point or not, but I know how I feel and that is that.....peace is the overall objective, until those two ruthless leader are gone there will be NO PEACE! |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by free on Tuesday, September 03 @ 11:17:42 CEST
(User Info ) | | if america starts a war with iraq it would not surprise me because i think that the president and the government are paying these countries leaders to attack us so the u.s. government will have something to do. see the establishment meets with other leaders of these countries and makes a deal with each other to start a war just so the president can try to stop it just so he can look good for the yuppies, man. AND TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH I THINK THE GOVERNMENT PAYED MONEY TO OSAMA BIN LADEN TO ATTACK AMERICA AND I THINK IT'S THE SAME THING THATS HAPPENING WITH IRAQ. but all their gonna end up doing is killing innocent women and children,man. you know its just like when 9/11 happened, after it happened there were reports on the news about how some afghanians were beaten up for just walking down the street by americans just because they were from afghanistan. when i heard that only one word could describe those that did it,RACISTS!!! they have commercials on television and things talking about how this country is the land of freedom, is this the kind of freedom people can expect when they come over from other countries? the freedom to be beaten up just because their not american. WELL IF THATS THE CASE THEN SCREW THIS RACIST,CONFORMIST COUNTRY AND THE ESTABLISHMENT. PEACE,LOVE AND FREEDOM--------- REAL FREEDOM P.S. BY THE WAY WHERE ARE ALL THE OLD HIPPIES? THOSE WHO HAVENT SOLD OUT |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Chris on Tuesday, September 03 @ 16:58:36 CEST
(User Info ) | | I think this country is rediculous. We thrive on what we are today yet we refuse the fact that any good in this country came out of the '60s. I can't stand it anymore! If our government thinks that they can push us aside without our opinions then they are not only wrong but tyrants! I say, when the war starts, the hippies of the USA unite and march on Washington. But, this time, let us be more determined on one thing to do. Let's change this country...again. Though, this time, make it last. Until then, start to paint your posters and sew your bellbottoms. It's time for a change, a revolution! I don't care if no one else is with me, me and my friends will do it alone. But, if you are for it, or, have any questions or comments, e-mail me at IamChris54@aol.com |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by HippyBenji on Tuesday, September 03 @ 18:31:26 CEST
(User Info ) | | I see alot of anger here. I completely understand why you are angry, i am to, its natural. But we can not allow anger to become part of what we do. We must have the courage to take the hate, the mocking, the anger of others and respond only with peace and love. The future will someday lie in our hands, it already kind of does, and if we shun and turn away those who must learn of peace and love, then we are as bad as them. If we respond with anger then we are NOT spreading peace, we are spreading more war, more hate, more pain. If we respond with Peace then they will see the way, they will see it IS possible to live in a society of peace. I would protest the war, but we cannot hate the soldiers or the goverment, they are corrupt, but if we cannot teach them of non-hate then no one will. I never heard Ghandi or Dr. King yelling at how there "enemys" we're terrible, worthless, awful people. If you cannot go forth with a message of peace, and peace alone, then you are not a real hippy. We can do it, we can teach love and peace, but we have to accept it first. So peace and love my brothers and sister, I know that we can do it....... |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by CosmicKarma on Wednesday, September 04 @ 01:05:11 CEST
(User Info ) | | War is stupid no matter who is fighting, America always trys to be the big brother of the world but ends up making enemies. If single people can be peaceful then why can't we all? |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by TJ on Wednesday, September 04 @ 02:15:21 CEST
(User Info ) | | Support my country. I am not in favor of war, don't misunderstand me. But I was at Sept 11 in NYC. People say that Iraq was not involved, but it is known that Iraq has offered AID to the taliban. I have seen and felt the pain of young children without fathers and mothers. This I cannot and will not tolerate. Terrorism is a threat to this country and I support the President if his plan includes stopping it. I also think that if we do go to war we should all band together as a nation to deal with this problem. |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by free rainbow on Wednesday, September 04 @ 09:32:35 CEST
(User Info ) | | i dont support any war! just bacause the bozo's that sit in the driver's seat of the government want to start a war doesnt mean we have to go along with it. we have the right to decide on how we live our lives and my idea of living is not going to war and dieing for this racist,sexist,comformist country. i mean think about it the only time the u.s. goes to other countries its to start wars and kill people and you know its true. thats why other countries are not in a hurry to get a visit from the u.s. government because their not ready to have their women and children murdered. im tired of seeing women and children being murdered because america cant get along with other countries. hey look at what happened at kent state and your telling me that the government are not murderers. to those that want to start wars i say to you MAKE LOVE NOT WAR. peace,love,happiness and freedom |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Chris...again on Wednesday, September 04 @ 16:21:52 CEST
(User Info ) | | For everyone that posted that they'd "Protest the War", are you actually going to? I mean, a lot of protests these days people write in letters. These can easily be thrown away. It was the physical protests that changed so much before, why not do it again. I will, who's with me...? |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by musicbox on Friday, September 06 @ 12:01:01 CEST
(User Info ) | | it's okay to protest the war. but protest the government, not the soldiers. the soldiers often times don't have a say as to where they go or even whether or not they'll die for their country. protest, yes. but protest intelligently!!! |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by rainbow on Sunday, September 08 @ 19:53:37 CEST
(User Info ) | | war is wrong!!!! the government doesnt see it that way though. they think that by starting wars their fighting for freedom, but i say if there were no wars period we would have freedom,man. but the government would rather murder people and whats sad is more than half of the u.s. population agrees with them,man. that much of the population even thinks that thats what they were doing in vietnam but it wasnt. the government just wanted to murder innocent people for nothing,man. alot of people that supports bush they say that this is not like in the 60's but they are so wrong, its just like the 60's! i think the president and the government need to mellow out and realize that its the age of aquarius again and life is much more groovy being mellow,man! does anybody else think that the government starting wars is whats going to eventually take out the human race? PEACE,LOVE AND FREEDOM |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by 14 year old on Sunday, September 08 @ 23:23:42 CEST
(User Info ) | | What is all this hypocritical stuff go to war to make peace? I just don't get this world |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by kirsti on Monday, September 09 @ 05:32:50 CEST
(User Info ) | President Bush is a control freak!
If or when Bush and Blair attack Iraq the CND and other similar organisations in Scotland are holding a sit down protest the first Saturday following the attack. If anyone is intersted in going to give their support be a George square Glasgow for twelve noon on the Saturday. Please remember to register with the legal team before the sit down this is so we can keep track on people who have been arrested and find out what police stations they have been taken to and find out when they will be relesed. There is usually someone from CND waiting outside the police station on your release.
Please come and give us your support and help us to put an end to the war.
in peace Kirsti xx
For more info visit www.banthebomb.org |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Larkspur on Monday, September 09 @ 10:56:20 CEST
(User Info ) | The PR reason for committing us against Iraq is Saddam "Insane's" so called weapons of mass destruction. But, if this guy truly had such weapons, don't you think he would have already used them on the most hated country over there? If he had such weapons, Israel would be a radiated pile of dust right now.
Maybe he does have such weapons, but then so does Israel, probably every country in the middle east, and so do we. Weapons we've used before: Hiroshima, Vietnam (agent orange), land minds. Our entire weapon's system is one of mass destruction, which we have proudly used throughout the world.
It is time to take to the streets, as was done during Vietnam. The differences now are that we can prevent a war. We must also reclaim our flag. The Stars and Bars were always meant to represent justice and freedom. It's time we claimed that symbol for what it was intended for. Besides, if progressives and peaceniks start waiving it as our symbol, won't that just piss the "right" off? |
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by yosef420 on Tuesday, September 10 @ 10:55:43 CEST
(User Info ) | | Run like hell and don't look back!I hope nobody is serious about open conflict with our fed.They have all mean toys! |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by lance on Tuesday, September 10 @ 22:50:51 CEST
(User Info ) | | I would support my country and the men and women who are put out to sacrifice so we can enjoy our freedoms. I do not want to go to war but I will not turn my back on my country. Too many people take our nation for granted. I have lived over seas, and I am grateful to live in this nation. |
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by get real on Wednesday, September 11 @ 18:28:21 CEST
(User Info ) | | you people are danked,saddam is making chemical/nuke bombs and is a fucking mad man you people want to protest it think you think its so called cool to protest get your heads out of your ass this aint the 60s.war sucks but when you have people like saddam in control its needed regardles of the oil thing thats another issue |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by B.Hill on Friday, September 13 @ 12:00:17 CEST
(User Info ) | | I live a rural area. What ways could I protest the war other then sending in comments or just talking to people? I probly would not be involved other than voicing my opinion. |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by happy_soul on Friday, September 13 @ 19:16:43 CEST
(User Info ) | what is this poll supposed to prove?
this is a hippy site; mostly hippies vote, right? hippies are anit-war so what kind of result would you expect? a bunch of people wanting to sign up to fight against iraq? hmm c'mon! |
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by kathylynn on Saturday, September 14 @ 14:14:31 CEST
(User Info ) | | If Bush starts a war I will go to the woods and live, for this war is going to be the satrt of something that is going to affect the lives of every american alive and change life as we know it. |
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Only when..... (Score: 0)
by kylie-ailcia on Sunday, September 15 @ 19:46:25 CEST
(User Info ) | Lets think about it for a minute...... ummm why???
because people don't understand that violence be-gets violence. War doesn't make anything better. They think that money makes the world go around.. as the old saying goes.....
Only whan the last tree has been cut down....
Only when the last river has been poisioned....
Only when the last fish has been caught.....
ONLY THEN WILL YOU FIND THAT MONEY CANT BE EATEN......
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the truth is this.......... (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Monday, September 16 @ 20:59:09 CEST | "The wise man who is angry is no longer wise."
THATS THE TRUTH! We can not think with our emotions. Emotions cloud our thinking, if we act in hate even love (because that is just as powerful, or more powerful than hate) we need to think clearly.....love is the key to the world staying together but that’s an emotion that is so strong you can be led astray by it (I know I have). But all my fellow-mellow citizens of the world (fuck countries--we're a world people) we need to come together, anyone ready to go Washington and stir a few things up? Bush and his clan of bigots need to be "let go".......imagine this, the truth is Bush works for us, not us for him. We the people need to stand up and fire is stupid ass, I know that sounds uneducated but you can't use educated words to talk about someone so ridiculously moronic as Bush.
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Lady Astor on Tuesday, September 17 @ 04:29:32 CEST
(User Info ) | Why does the US think they can go all around the world bullying everyone and never have to answer to the consequences??? Things were somewhat lighter during the Clinton administration, but Bush...not only he´s evidently retarded, he acts as if he owns the world!! I really hope he stays away from the Arab League because these people are not and never were playing war games, they don´t have anything to loose.
REALLY people, peace is the only chance, Bush wants the oil from Saddam, and only that. The world sees the US as an arrogant country and many nations like France, Russia or Germany are willing to let the US alone. As the US did with Cuba...
Evidently, I´m not a US citizen, I´m Argentinian, another country devastated by the intromission of "the nation of the free and the brave".
More and more, the world in pain is realizing the USA is responsible for much of their affliction, and they will start answering as they did on 11-S. You are NOT untouchable anymore, so stop the war madness! The intelligent people in your country did grand things for world wide culture, don´t let the stupid bigotery of some ruin everything. THINK! |
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by raloosh on Tuesday, September 17 @ 06:34:47 CEST
(User Info ) | hi everyone!
my name is tal and im from israel so i know a lot about it... i really dont think that war is the right answer... im only 14 years old, but i still know that each side should stop hurting the others and thay both countries leaders should use theyre minds and mouthe, not theyre fists! the human kind was not created ro destroy one eachother, they were created to live together in peace and harmony, FOREVER! |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Genevieve on Tuesday, September 17 @ 14:32:39 CEST
(User Info ) | | I would be very frightened. The reason that we have to go to war with Irac is because we have gained information that they are carrying and hidding harmful and deadly war toys. Its all fair that we know what all nations are able to do with tecnology. (pardon my spelling) If we do not know we could recieve a surprise attack. Which is the only reason why I think someone would want to HIDE what they have from us. The reason being that they want to pull a surprise attack on America (hint hint rent the movie "The man who saw Tomarrow") We are living in very dangerous times. Man has gained so much knowledge in the past 60 years, more then he has gained in the past 1000 years. Now with all this knowledge half of the world is not ready for. Over half of this world is still living in the middle ages, with morals and laws simialar to a superstious cave man. For these sort of persons to gain control of these weapons with out a mature and up to date look on life IT could be very dangerous. So by us going into Irac and laying down the law maybe the only choice that we have to protect our freedom. And believe me I know that the word freedom can be a very "controversial" word for America and this hippie sight. But what we have in America is far more free then any other country on this planet as of today and there is only room for more progress. Although war is far from progress; but we are dealing with a barbaric intelligence and maybe the only way we can lay down the law with this sort of people is to meet them at their own terms. Even as wrong as it maybe its probably our only choiceTO PROTECT OURSELFS. I just hope that one day we will relize that there is another way to resolve issues in this world and there is another way that we could live together. POWER TO THE PEOPLE who love, good will over come evil for the 1000 years of peace. |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by corporal_clegg on Wednesday, September 18 @ 02:08:32 CEST
(User Info ) | US since 9/11: Lessons and conundrums Vir Sanghvi
September 14
Last week, I argued that America had failed to launch a genuine global war against terrorism in response to September 11.
Instead, I said, the US went it alone and fought a private battle that saw it aligning with those whom we see as sponsors of terrorism. Worse still, it justified its response in terms — revenge, wanted dead or alive, violations of national sovereignty — that it would regard as entirely unacceptable were any other nation — especially India, which has also been a victim of terrorism — to proceed on the same basis.
The overwhelming response to that column — clearly, the newspaper-reading classes are disappointed with US policy — has led me to conclude that perhaps we need to think more about the impact of September 11 from an Indian perspective. We've spent the last week submerged under a sea of September 11 memoirs and analyses but precious little has been said from our own perspective.
On Monday, Roli Books released Journalism After September 11 at the Foreign Correspondents Club in Delhi. I was one of those who spoke but, listening to the others who commented, it struck me how much remains to be said about our response to that attack and its consequences.
Here is a brief run-down — in no particular order —- of what I see as the lessons of September 11 for us in India.
The US response in the immediate aftermath of September 11 was one of disbelief. Somehow America had believed that it was exempt from attacks of this nature.
For most of us whose knowledge of America comes from its popular media, this came as something of a surprise. American fiction is obsessed with the idea of a terrorist strike on the US — if not on New York itself. In the late 1970s, the bestselling novel The Fifth Horseman dealt with terrorists sneaking a nuclear device into New York City. The same theme was recycled in the George Clooney movie The Peacemaker. In Thomas Harris's Black Sunday, the Superbowl was in danger; and in one of Tom Clancy completely unreadable Jack Ryan novels, a rogue Japanese pilot actually crashes a civilian airliner into Capitol Hill killing the US President.
Yet, when the attacks came, Americans couldn't believe it.
The second lesson lies in the manner in which America held together. It is clear that there was a huge security failure at Boston Airport — the terrorists should never have been able to get on board. It is becoming clearer that there was also a serious intelligence failure —- each day, we see new evidence of the CIA and FBI's ineptitude.
If any of this had happened in India, it would have taken us 10 minutes to scream ‘security failure', 15 minutes to shout ‘intelligence failure', and half an hour to demand the Prime Minister's resignation.
There is much to learn from the way in which America came together. Administration and opposition united in a completely bipartisan manner. There were no recriminations. There was no finger-pointing. There was no race to find scapegoats, no demand for anyone's resignation and no attempt to earn political mileage. Of course, there were questions of accountability — the CIA and the FBI have both been criticized over the last year — but these came later. The first priority was to cope with the crisis.
As journalists, we can also learn from the conduct of the US media in the aftermath of the tragedy. Though few of us in the media will admit it, we demonstrate very little respect for the dignity of victims. Any coverage of a terrorist attack, a train accident or a natural disaster treats victims as inanimate objects, not deserving of any dignity. We carry pictures of dead bodies, we encourage relatives to weep and wail for the TV cameras and then, once we've moved on to the next story, we forget about the victims.
Contrast this with the manner in which the US media handled the WTC tragedy. There were relatively few shots of dismembered bodies, hard
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by free rainbow on Wednesday, September 18 @ 02:46:18 CEST
(User Info ) | | WOW,MAN! their still planing on attacking iraq its a shame. alot of the government and the republicans talk about how the hippies brought this country down on its knee's in the 60's, but i guess they dont realize that their the one's that's bringing this country down on it's knee's by starting wars. i heard that the government and the president is planning on spending $200 billion to attack iraq, we could buy every iraqian a house cheaper than that, we could help poor families in iraq, we could feed the homeless women and children,but no the government would rather use it to murder them instead of helping them and i just cant dig that,man! so i just think they could spend it on something that actually matters like peace,love and freedom, man! i got to split so ill catch you later. |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by free rainbow on Wednesday, September 18 @ 03:04:54 CEST
(User Info ) | | WOW,MAN! their still talking about attacking iraq, you know its wierd the republicans and the government say that the hippies brought this country down on it's knee's but, i guess they dont realize that their the ones that's bringing this country down on its knee's by starting war's. i heard that the government and the president is planning on spending $200 billion to attack them, we could buy every iraqian a house cheaper than that, we could help the poor women and children,we could feed every homeless person over their, but the government would rather use it to murder them instead of help them, i just cant dig that,man. so i just think that they could spend it on something that matters like peace,love and freedom!!!!!!!!!! |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by moningstar on Wednesday, September 18 @ 21:49:18 CEST
(User Info ) | how do i chat
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by jimmy on Thursday, September 19 @ 12:59:42 CEST
(User Info ) | | smoke a fat one |
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Gulf invasion simulation (Score: 0)
by Jeroen, 16, The Netherlands on Sunday, September 22 @ 16:26:26 CEST
(User Info ) | Have you heard about the US Army's simulation of the invasion of an unspecified 'military capable Mid-Eastern country' this summer?
Costs: $ 250,000,000.- Participants : 30,000 , assisted by tens of thousands computer-simulated soldiers and weapons.
There were two parties: Blue, the invaders, led by the admiral of the US Navy's Second Fleet (forgot his name :o ) and Red, the defenders;led by an Ex-marine, a Vietnam veteran. Note: Blue outnumbered Red by 3:1 and was technologically superior.
You'd expect Blue would annihilate Red. Not. The Red commander ordered to fill civil airplanes and ships (you know, like, speedboats, fisher's ships, Cesna's) with explosives and patrol the coastline. When Blue launched its 'suprise attack' these ships and planes kamikazed on Blues vessels. Sixteen vessels, including one carrier, were sunk. If this 'exercise' were real, 16,000 American soldiers would have died. Instead of using the Ultra-short wave radio he was supposed to use (but could be tapped by Blue) , the Red leader used the mosque's criers for communication.
After a few days when several attempts of Blue had failed and 75% of the Blue army had perished, officials paused the simulation. Blue's soldiers where revived, the sunken ships where suddenly back in the game. The red leader was forced to use his radio and was told not to look while Blue performed their landing, and not to use any more of his 'creative' ideas. The red leader quit the simulation, saying this was not just cheating, but ruining the scientific aspect of the simulation; You can ensure Blue's victory by playing against a shackled opponent, but can you learn anything from such a 'realistic battlefield simulation'?
No.
I think this illustrates perfectly how any mission can fail, how there can always be massive casualties, and why war aint fun. |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by HOBO MAN on Monday, September 23 @ 06:55:27 CEST
(User Info ) | | Eat little children as i have no money for food! u hippy fools geive me money NOW! |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by hippy hobo on Tuesday, September 24 @ 07:44:44 CEST
(User Info ) | | also, why dont we just have sex with saddam until he becomes one of us? free love... |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Nerve Wrack X on Wednesday, September 25 @ 05:55:44 CEST
(User Info ) | | You people just enjoy protesting war. That guy in Iraq has screwed with the world for a while now. If the U.N. is not going to enforce it's decisions, then it serves no purpose and people like Hitler can run rampant. It WAS founded to stop these dictators. Unfortunately, war IS necessary from time to time. If we hadn't bombed Japan, who knows how much longer that war would have dragged on and how many MORE people would have died. VIOLENCE IS A PART OF REALITY; join us there! Find a real cause to fight, you tree-hugging, weed smoking, shaggy-haired, tie-dyed throwbacks to a generation that I am very thankful is long gone. Peace and love, you retards. |
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by Jim Proffitt on Thursday, September 26 @ 06:29:33 CEST
(User Info ) | When we start this war I will cry. My son will be a part of it, as I and my brothers were a part of Viet-Nam. I will cry when we bomb Iraq; I will cry when we bomb Iran; I will cry when we bomb Syria; I will cry when we bomb.......the ones we don`t need.
Jim
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Re: If the U.S. starts a war with Iraq, you would... (Score: 0)
by imo on Saturday, November 30 @ 08:11:08 CET
(User Info ) | | people say that they've won a war but is losing innocent lives winning? people who say they've won a war are fools and people who support wars are in my opinion obnoxous, war doesnt get anyone anywhere but dead. |
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die for what country (Score: 0)
by Jorj---come get me on Wednesday, July 30 @ 16:09:52 CEST
(User Info ) | | I'd be happy to die for my country,,,but this war represents everything that America was supposed to never ever become |
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